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Preseason & Post Season Polls

We published our Top 25 rankings June 9th and our top 50 before July. Prior to the season beginning, we compared those rankings to the preseason AP Poll.

For this exercise, we’ll need to use the Coaches Poll since they are the only poll with a post-tournament Top 25 of the two polls. Let’s first take a look at the Coach’s Preseason poll vs ours. (I’ve included others receiving votes in the rankings as well).

CoachesTRN
PreseasonPreseason
1North Carolina1Gonzaga
2Gonzaga2North Carolina
3Houston3Kentucky
4Kentucky4Houston
5Kansas5Baylor
6Baylor6Texas
7UCLA7Tennessee
8Duke8UCLA
9Creighton9Kansas
10Arkansas10Indiana
11Tennessee11Miami
12Texas12Arkansas
13Arizona13Arizona
14Indiana14Duke
15Auburn15San Diego St
16TCU16Auburn
17Villanova17TCU
18Virginia18Oklahoma
19Alabama19Alabama
20San Diego State20Xavier
21Oregon21Dayton
22Michigan22Oregon
23Illinois23UConn
24Texas Tech24Florida
25Dayton25Creighton
26Purdue26St Louis
27Texas A&M27Texas A&M
28Miami28Iowa
29UConn29Missouri
30Michigan State30UAB
31Providence31Wyoming
32Iowa32LSU
33Syracuse33Virginia
34Florida State34Texas Tech
35Virginia Tech35Illinois
36USC36Ohio State
37Saint Mary’s37Oklahoma State
38Wyoming38Villanova
39Wisconsin39Providence
40UAB40Memphis
41Ohio State41Wisconsin
42Florida42Purdue
43Iowa State43Michigan
44Xavier44Iowa State
45Toledo45West Virginia
46Drake46Virginia Tech
47Rutgers47Arizona State
48Boise State48Michigan State

Here are the post-tournament Coaches Poll rankings. I’ve included KenPom as well who doesn’t do a preseason poll for another opinion. Most of the general public isn’t aware of the various computer rankings, but they do know and cite the AP and Coaches Poll regularly which is why we are going to use their final poll.

CoachesKenPom
Post TournyPost Tourny
1UConn1UConn
2San Diego State2Houston
3Miami3UCLA
4Alabama4Alabama
5Florida Atlantic5Texas
6Houston6Tennessee
7Texas7Purdue
8UCLA8Gonzaga
9Kansas State9Kansas
10Gonzaga10Marquette
11Kansas11Arizona
12Creighton12Creighton
13Purdue13Saint Mary’s
14Marquette14San Diego St.
15Xavier15Xavier
16Tennessee16Baylor
17Arizona17Florida Atlantic
18Duke18Duke
19Baylor19West Virginia
20Michigan State20Memphis
21Arkansas21Kansas St.
22Saint Mary’s22Arkansas
23Virginia23Maryland
24Indiana24Miami FL
25Texas A&M25TCU
26TCU26Michigan St.
27Princeton27Kentucky
28Kentucky28Utah St.
29Missouri29Iowa St.
30Penn State30Indiana
31North Texas31North Texas
32Maryland32Auburn
33Northwestern33Texas A&M
34Auburn34Virginia
35USC35Illinois
36West Virginia36Penn St.
37Memphis37Boise St.
38Iowa State38Northwestern
39Pittsburgh39Rutgers
40Providence40Providence
41UAB41Iowa
42Oral Roberts42Oregon
43Fairleigh Dickinson43North Carolina

Fairleigh Dickinson getting a vote is pretty ridiculous. It was a nice upset but that is exactly why some people tend to write these polls off. Hopefully studying what we were wrong and what to look for on our end will help us become more accurate in future rankings. Here is the comparison to how the AP, Coaches, and TRN looked in the preseason vs postseason.

PrePrePre
Coaches Post Season CoachesAPTRN
1UConn292723
2San Diego State201915
3Miami282811
4Alabama192019
5Florida Atlantic
6Houston334
7Texas12126
8UCLA787
9Kansas State
10Gonzaga221
11Kansas559
12Creighton9925
13Purdue262942
14Marquette
15Xavier443320
16Tennessee11117
17Arizona131713
18Duke8714
19Baylor655
20Michigan State303148
21Arkansas101012
22Saint Mary’s37
23Virginia181833
24Indiana141310
25Texas A&M272627

As you can see there were misses by everyone. We were closer among the top 10 with Miami being the big divergence. Creighton and Purdue were our bigger misses by comparison. That’s despite picking Zach Edey as the best player in college basketball in the preseason. I just didn’t see anything around him from a team perspective. He averaged essentially the same amount of points and rebounds as we projected if he played that many minutes. Creighton I was skeptical would improve as much as they did even return most of the same team that was only 50th last season in the final KenPom. They did however more inline with most consensus thinking. Don’t doubt Tom Izzo and Randy Bennett no matter if it looks like a rebuilding season. They do not rebuild apparently, ever. That is the other biggest take away.


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